S5:E24 Mr. Fundamentalist

S5:E24 Mr. Fundamentalist

William Bell Riley was the real “Mr. Fundamentalist”. And few have heard of him.

So far this season I’ve covered William Jennings Bryan, a man who enjoyed the nickname “Mr. Fundamentalist”. But he wasn’t really a fundamentalist. Experts point to another man as the true face of fundamentalism. That man was William Bell Riley. He was a famous preacher in his day, bouncing around the midwest until he settled in Minnesota. He founded the Northwestern schools to spread his vision of Christianity and picked debates with modernists at the University of Chicago. He formed the World’s Christian Fundamentals Association to help deliver denominations from modernism.

But… he lost. A bunch.

In this episode we explore the life of William Bell Riley to discover why he and the fundamentalists burned brightly, only to fizzle out a few years later. William Bell Riley was the real “Mr. Fundamentalist”. And few have heard of him. That is for good reasons. Riley was popular in his circle and had a big impact. But his lasting legacy is now tied to his schools because he helped take the movement underground and out of the usual channels of public life.

Helpful Links:

  • God’s Empire by William Vance Trollinger
  • Minnesota History article about Riley
  • New Hampshire Confession
  • Fundamentalism and American Culture by George Marsden
  • The Evangelicals by Frances Fitzgerald

Discussion Questions:

  • How should we react to heresy?
  • Do you look for strong leaders like William Bell Riley or do you prefer calm leaders? Why?
  • Do you have a creed you live by? Does your church profess one? Why or why not?
  • How do Bible schools shape our world? Have they impacted your life or the lives of friends?
  • Riley and his friends lost in part because they were all trying to be leaders. Do you think you could submit to the leadership of others? If so, who?
S5:E23 World War One and the Modernist – Fundamentalist Controversy

S5:E23 World War One and the Modernist – Fundamentalist Controversy

The Great War Helped Create the Modernist-Fundamentalist Controversy

The modernish/ fundamentalist controversy was heating up in the early 1900s. Conservatives saw this coming a long way off but could not stop modernism from taking control of seminaries and popular pulpits. It was everywhere. It all came to a head with WWI.

Theological conservatives saw WWI as evidence that the world was getting worse. To them, it was a chance to fight for patriotic reasons. Modernists were also pro-war because they thought this was the “war to end all wars”. There would be no more war after this and democracy would take over the world. The liberals fired the first shots in this theological battle because they thought that premillennialism encouraged people to root for the end of the world. That is how the Great War helped Create the Modernist-Fundamentalist Controversy.

William Jennings Bryan was Secretary of State in the US during this time and did his best to keep us out of the war.

This episode features the voices of George Marsden (author of “Fundamentalism and American Culture”) and Michael Kazin, professor at Georgetown University and author of “What it Took to Win”.

Special thanks to the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, Wyoming for letting me record with permission.

Sources:

Discussion Questions:

  • What was the purpose of WWI? What caused it?
  • Would you have been for or against the war in the 1900s?
  • How can pre and post-millennialism shape a person’s view of the world? Does it have to?
  • How does social Darwinism tie into WWI and WWII?
  • Is WWI an outcome of changing morality?
  • How would you tell a large audience of Christians to adapt to changing morality?
S5:E22 Walter Rauschenbusch and the Great Reversal

S5:E22 Walter Rauschenbusch and the Great Reversal

Why are conservative Christians against social programs?

Walter Rauscenbush published his classic book Christianity and the Social Crisis in 1907. It went on to become a defining work of the social gospel movement. We’ve spent a lot of time talking about the social gospel this season. That is because it has been identified by historians as the key movement that fundamentalists rebelled against. So we really should understand it, right?

In this episode, Chris takes us through highlights of this classic book in order to understand how the social gospel differed from evangelical Christianity. While it lifted up the necessity of doing good works, the social gospel often omitted salvation altogether. Contrast that to evangelical preachers like D.L. Moody who lived their lives with the sole purpose of evangelism.

This division between evangelicalism and liberal theologies led to the Great Reversal when theologically conservative Christians went from participating in public acts of goodwill to distancing themselves from it. Why are conservative Christians against social programs? Because people like Rauschenbush tied social programs to liberal theology and socialism.

Christianity and the Social Crisis

Breakdown of points made from Christianity and the Social Crisis

  • Rauschenbush’s thoughts on socialism (p152)
  • Theories on prophets of the Old Testament creating Judaism – p3 – 5
  • Amos and Jeremiah denied that God ever told them to sacrifice – p6
  • Morality is the only thing God cares about – p6
  • God is interested in the morality of the nation over the individual – p11, 29
  • The Bible has been altered when it comes to the stories of Jesus – p62-63
  • Wealth is associated with the wicked in the Bible – p13
  • Jewish people distributed land in communistic ways – p14
  • John the Baptist and Jesus both wanted to restore theocracy to Israel – p53
  • Rauschenbush’s ideas about how industry chews people up – p370
  • Socialism is inevitable – outside link page 153

Discussion Questions:

  • What is Christianity?
  • How much of Christianity can you remove before it becomes something else?
  • Why are we so split between those of us who think of good works and those of us who think of salvation?
  • What is the role of Christians in society?
  • Now that you’ve decided on the role of Christians in society, how do you match up with your own expectations?

Select Sources:

S5:E21 The Fundamentals

S5:E21 The Fundamentals

The Fundamentals of the Christian faith

Between 1910 and 1915 a collection of 90 essays was distributed by two wealthy oil magnates. These essays attempted to nail down the basics of the Christian faith and counteract the growing modernist movement. “The Fundamentals” is often mentioned in history books about Christian fundamentalism, but it is rare for anyone to discuss the essays themselves. So I thought we should break down at least 6 of them together!

I’m joined this episode by some good friends to introduce you to “The Fundamentals”. This influential time capsule document takes us inside the proto-fundamentalist movement, just before it really took off.

Discussion Questions:

  • What would you include in your own list of fundamentals?
  • Is creationism fundamental? What is the role of evolution in our modern theology?
  • The fear of evolution wasn’t just about people thinking we’d come from chimps. It also revolved around concerns of people applying evolution to other areas of life. How have you seen evolution applied to other studies?
  • Is the Bible inerrant? What does that mean?
  • Have you read the full Bible yourself? Why or why not?

Essays we read:

  • “My Experience With the Higher Criticism” by JJ Reeve
  • “The Deity of Christ” by BB Warfield
  • “The Certainty and Importance of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead” by Reuben Torrey
  • “Science and Christian Faith” by James Orr
  • “Evolutionism in the Pulpit” by “An Occupant of the Pew”
S5:E20 The Scofield Reference Bible

S5:E20 The Scofield Reference Bible

What kind of Bible do you have?

Most of us would answer with the translation we carry. Maybe it’s New Living, the King James, or the New International Version. I’ve heard plenty of conversations about translations in my life. But I’ve never heard a serious discussion about the notes in various Bibles.

Continuing our long exploration of the Christian fundamentalist movement, we explore the Bible version that nudged the United States toward a particular negative theology. One that encouraged people to question the trajectory of history itself. That was one of the purposes of the Scofield Reference Bible, named for its author C.I. Scofield.

The Bible that changed our view of the end

The Scofield Reference Bible emphasizes the premillennial dispensationalist theology we’ve been talking about all season. It expects that world history is sliding into chaos. That was not the primary view in the late 1800s and early 1900s in the US. Most people thought that humanity could improve things until Jesus returned. This Bible is one of the things that changed that.

Special thanks to Nick, Melanie, Hannah, Marc, and Marian for their help with this episode!

Discussion Questions:

  • What kind of Bible do you have? Why did you choose it?
  • What agenda does your Bible have?
  • What audience is it intended for?
  • Who wrote your Bible notes?
  • Flip to Genesis 1 and Revelation 1. What position does it take on creationism? The end of the world?
  • Have you ever considered the origins of your study notes?

How do you feel about us having so many different targeted Bibles?

Select Sources for this Episode:

  • The History of the Scofield Reference Bible by Arno C. Gaebelein
  • The Evangelicals by Frances Fitgerald
  • Fundamentalism and American Culture by George Marsden
  • Article on Lyman Stewart who financed this Bible
  • A Godly Hero by Michael Kazin
  • Isaiah 37
  • A Christianity Today article about the changes made to the Scofield Bible (material not used for the episode, but still interesting)
  • The Scofield Reference Bible (1945 edition)
  • The MacArthur Study Bible
  • The Founders Bible
  • The Battlefield of the Mind Bible