S6:E52 Where the Gang Ended Up part 2

S6:E52 Where the Gang Ended Up part 2

How the fall of Jimmy Swaggart shaped the presidential run of Pat Robertson

Jimmy Swaggart was caught in a major controversy in the late 1980s. It involved the famous American televangelist, who was a leading figure in Pentecostal Christianity. In 1988, Swaggart publicly admitted to “moral failure” after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute, behavior that directly contradicted the strict moral standards he preached. The revelation led to his suspension by the Assemblies of God, his church denomination, and caused significant damage to his reputation and ministry. Swaggart delivered a widely televised, tearful confession, which became one of the most memorable moments in religious broadcasting, symbolizing broader concerns at the time about hypocrisy, accountability, and power among high-profile televangelists.

When Pat Robertson’s run for president failed, he kept going

This proved to be a problem for Pat Robertson, who was running for president. Just as he needed his conservative brothers and sisters on his side… they disappeared or chose another politician.

When he lost the race, he continued his streak of being shelved by politicians. He and other evangelicals with large followings placed their hope in politicians to save them. Only to find disappointment.

Sources:

  • The Evangelicals by Frances Fitzgerald
  • Reaganland by Rick Perlstein
  • Pat Robertson: A Life and Legacy by David Edwin Harrell Jr.
  • Andrews, T. M. (2017). The Rev. Marvin Gorman, who prompted Jimmy Swaggart’s downfall in the ’80s, dies at 83
  • Art Harris, W. P. (1988, Feb 26). Jimmy Swaggart’s secret life in the world of no-tell motels ‘shouting, weeping’ Preacher was just another man on prowl. Toronto Star
  • RNC National Convention speeches 1988, around 2:35:00
  • God’s Own Party by Daniel K Williams
  • PETER STEINFELS (1989, Jun 12). Moral majority to dissolve; says mission accomplished. New York Times
  • Rolling Stone Magazine ⁠article⁠ on Jay Sekulow. By Andrew Perez, January 3, 2024
  • Washington Post ⁠article ⁠about Robertson’s death

Discussion Questions

  • How did success become a problem for the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition?
  • Why is it a problem that we keep being marketed to with fear?
  • How could conservative evangelicals argue both that they were the majority AND a persecuted minority? Why does it matter?
S6:E43 The Many Plagues of Jimmy Carter

S6:E43 The Many Plagues of Jimmy Carter

The Problems with Jimmy Carter’s Time as President

President Jimmy Carter’s presidency (1977–1981) faced several major challenges, both domestically and internationally. One of the biggest domestic issues was the struggling U.S. economy. Carter inherited high inflation and unemployment, problems that worsened during his term. The country experienced “stagflation” — a combination of stagnant economic growth and high inflation. The energy crisis, marked by oil shortages and skyrocketing gas prices, further fueled economic instability. Though Carter promoted energy conservation and alternative energy development, many Americans viewed his efforts as inadequate or overly pessimistic.

Carter’s Foreign Policy

Internationally, Carter faced major challenges in foreign policy. One of the most significant was the Iran Hostage Crisis, which began in November 1979 when 52 American diplomats and citizens were taken hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The crisis lasted 444 days and was a major blow to Carter’s administration, especially after a failed rescue attempt. It deeply affected U.S. relations with Iran and damaged public confidence in Carter’s leadership. Though Carter did achieve a major diplomatic success with the Camp David Accords — a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel — the Iran Hostage Crisis ultimately overshadowed much of his foreign policy work.

Americans Wanted a Strongman Figure

Another major issue during Carter’s presidency was a perceived lack of effective leadership. Carter, known for his integrity and moral outlook, struggled to build strong relationships with Congress and the media. He often took a technocratic, detail-oriented approach to governing, which alienated many political allies. Critics saw his administration as indecisive and overly focused on long-term goals rather than immediate results. These perceptions contributed to a loss of public confidence and were a key factor in his defeat by Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential election.

The special guest for this episode is historian and author Rick Perlstein.

Sources:

  • Phyllis Schlafly’s⁠ debate⁠ with Buckley
  • Reaganland by Rick Perlstein
  • Slate ⁠story⁠ on Chisholm
  • ⁠Video ⁠showing Carter’s opposition to integrated busing
  • Reagan by Bob Spitz
  • The Invisible Bridge by Rick Perlstein
  • These Truths by Jill Lepore
  • Crash Course by Paul Ingrassia
  • C-SPAN ⁠clip ⁠of Carter’s malaise speech
  • Who is Government? by Michael Lewis

Discussion Questions:

  • What do you find appealing about Carter?
  • How do voters sometimes use issues that are beyond a politician’s control to judge them?
  • Why would Carter and his predecessors choose to give the Panama Canal to Panama?
  • How would an event like the hostage crisis impact an election?
S6:E35 Abortion

S6:E35 Abortion

Have evangelicals always been against abortion?

A lot of evangelicals are now single-issue voters, and that issue is abortion. But that was not always the case. In fact, for a great deal of American history, abortion was largely seen as a Catholic issue. There are, of course, exceptions. But most evangelicals and Protestants were divided on the subject, even favoring abortion when it came to preserving the health of the mother, or in cases of rape and incest.

The moral decline of the US pushes evangelicals to support the pro-life movement

On this episode, Chris interviews historian and author Daniel K. Williams about the history of the abortion debate in the United States. A major turning point was the availability of elective or “on-demand” abortions in places like New York. As evangelicals grew more upset with the moral decline of the country, they lumped abortion together with gay and lesbian rights fights, the proliferation of pornography, and decided that it needed to stop. Plus, big money through New Right PACs entered the field, and politicians were soon chosen on their allegiance to pro-life legislation.

Sources:

  • Defenders of the Unborn: The Pro-Life Movement before Roe v. Wade by Daniel K Williams
  • Reaganland by Rick Perlstein
  • The Evangelicals by Frances Fitzgerald
  • Romper Room on ⁠YouTube⁠
  • CBS Sunday Morning⁠ excellent story⁠ on Sherri Chessen
  • Article⁠ on thalidomide
  • Oyez.org for the Supreme Court cases
  • Church History in Plain Language by Bruce Shelley
  • American Experience ⁠article⁠ on Comstock Laws
  • New York Times ⁠video⁠ on the Population Bomb (good stuff!)
  • The US Constitution
  • Frances Shaeffer and the Shaping of Evangelical America by Barry Hankins

Discussion Questions:

Was Reagan successful in helping the pro-life movement, or was he merely throwing them a bone to get votes?

Why was abortion considered a Catholic issue in the mid-1900s?

How did the Griswold case impact the Roe case?

How did changing sexual mores contribute to the pro-life movement?

How did the 1970 opening of New York to elective abortions impact public opinion? What is “abortion on demand”?

How did Reagan’s endorsement of the HLA shift Republican politics?

S6:E27 Boardroom Jacobins

S6:E27 Boardroom Jacobins

Ralph Nader and the Chevy Corvair Spark the Consumer Protection Movement

In November of 1965, a young lawyer published a book called Unsafe at Any Speed about the dangers of driving a Chevy Corvair. The car could become unstable and possibly flip if driven in poor conditions or without proper training. The lawyer? Ralph Nader.

It took a while for the book to find its audience, but soon it was on bookshelves across the US and made a celebrity our of Nader. Soon he and his “Nader’s Raiders” were on a spree, advocating for consumer safety.

Big Business Kills the Liberal Consensus

This movement was met with skepticism and fear in the industrial community. Who did this guy think he was? Americans didn’t need “big government” looking over their shoulders! Well, that’s what big corporate leaders thought. They set out to dismantle the consumer safety movement and to convince conservative religious people that safety was actually creeping government interference.

My special guest for this episode is Rick Perlstein, author of The Invisible Bridge and Reaganland.

Sources:

Discussion Questions:

  • What do you think about the government involvement in the Chevy Corvair?
  • How has product safety impacted your life?
  • Is the government small, big, or somewhere in between?
  • Do you remember Ralph Nader?
  • Is it okay for big business to use advertising to change American minds about the government and economics?
S6:E25 The New Right

S6:E25 The New Right

The New Right Manipulated Evangelicals into Conservative Republican Politics

A small group of men calling themselves The New Right had a major role to play in bonding some evangelicals to the Republican Party. Yet many Christians don’t know who these guys were or how they used money and influence to accomplish their goal.

Let’s meet the fellas. One was named Paul Weyrich. Weyrich’s contribution to the movement is that he knew how to organize people, a skill he learned from watching liberal protests. He was a former radio newsman from Wisconsin, member of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church when he thought the Roman Catholic Church became too liberal. He saw how liberals were organizing in the US and decided to do something similar with conservatives. The goal was to bring together politicians, activists, money, and the press to have a unified front. Organizational skills were his secret weapon.

Howard Phillips was a follower of RJ Rushdoony’s Christian Reconstruction plan. He gutted the Office of Economic Opportunity for Richard Nixon and then founded a think tank called The Conservative Caucus. He said “we organize discontent” meaning that the New Right used emotional issues to rile up their base.

Then there was Richard Viguerie. He was the king of bulk mail. The New Right used his services to advocate for their kind of politicians, for Anita Bryant, and to raise money. His company RAVCO was investigated for fraud.

These men and more were vital in bringing some evangelicals into the Republican Party.

Our guest today is Rick Perlstein, author of amazing history books like Reaganland and The Invisible Bridge. Special thanks to my friend Paul Hastings of the Compelled podcast for lending me his voice about the San Antonio Independent Christian Film Festival.

Sources:

  • Reaganland and The Invisible Bridge by Rick Perlstein
  • Mobilizing the Moral Majority: Paul Weyrich and the Creation of a Conservative Coalition, 1968-1988 by Tyler J. Poff pages 22-23
  • The Evangelicals by Frances Fitzgerald
  • Weyrich, Memorandum, April 16, 1973, Paul M. Weyrich Scrapbooks. But accessed through Mobilizing the Moral Majority: Paul Weyrich and the Creation of a Conservative Coalition, 1968-1988 by Tyler J. Poff page 18
  • Christian Reconstruction: RJ Rushdoony and American Religious Conservatism – by Michael McVicar
  • Memo from Gerald Ford Library
  • The 1974 Campaign Finance Reform Act
  • James Robison at the Religious Roundtable

Discussion Questions:

  • What was meant by “we organize discontent”? Is this a statement Jesus would have made?
  • Have you ever heard of the New Right guys before?
  • Google Paul Weyrich and watch videos of him talking. How does he use language to stir fear in others?
  • Are there issues that politicians can use to push your buttons? What are they? Why?
  • Why are some evangelicals driven by these push button issues?
  • How was the New Right able to use issues of sex to steer some evangelicals?